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		<title>By: Nate BH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate BH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 04:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeremy. I&#039;m going back through some of your older posts. (Hint. Just kidding.)

I appreciate your notes about Schubert&#039;s &quot;chichéd&quot; themes. I spent about 10 minutes last summer trying to explain the last movement of D.840 to my saxophonist-friend. &quot;Yes, it&#039;s an overly simplistic melody, almost boring, but that&#039;s precisely WHY it&#039;s interesting,&quot; I said, (but without using the word &quot;precisely.&quot;) &quot;It&#039;s almost like a commentary on absent-mindedness. Thinking about thinking. It&#039;s cool, it&#039;s crazy...&quot; Needless to say, my eloquence did not convert him. Some people don&#039;t like Schubert, either because they miss the depth of his apparently clichéd themes, or because they are irritated and unsettled by his tendency to plunge into circles of questioning, self-referential thought. But, like you, I find these wanderings intriguing, resonant with the way my mind works; they draw me into a personal, shifting and magical musical landscape that often affects me more deeply than Beethoven.

So I disagree with the spirit of the first comment; I am incredibly glad that Schubert was himself and not another Beethoven. But I wonder if Schubert ever tried to be &quot;more than himself?&quot; Probably, given his capacity to doubt. I play the second half of the first theme almost as if Schubert is lunging (albiet delicately) for, perhaps even forcing a resolution. The first half of the folksong theme is followed by a plagal cadence (E-flat - B-flat), &quot;Amen,&quot; thereby consecrating it. Then Schubert moves to E-flat, considering the cliché he just created, but where to go from there? The rest of the phrase does indeed seem haunted by uncertainty, as if Schubert is using rote melodic logic to try to create an appropriate counter statement to the first, sacred part of the phrase. Then, we have the half cadence, which is actually another plagal cadence, this time of the fifth (B-flat - F), Schubert asking, &quot;And this part of the phrase is sacred too, right?&quot; The bass answers...

My favorite moment in this piece is in the recapitulation, when Schubert leaves the part of the Sonata you discussed in this blog, modulating into G-flat, then, tragically, F-sharp minor. His doubts, his questioning, precipitate a storm in the development and this modulation is the scar of that experience. But then, the bass steps up to A, and suddenly we are in D major. It is a beautiful moment, holistic and healing. All the suffering in the sonata has led, unexpectedly, to a new and beautiful key. And the beauty is not shining through in spite of the pieces flaws, but it is there because of them: without F-sharp minor we would not have reached D. And at the end of the movement, he restates the first theme,  but only the first part, once as before, then pushed up a third as if admiring it from a different angle, and then back to the first position. He seems to say, &quot;If only the first part of my phrase is sacred, than that is all I need. I won&#039;t try to be Beethoven by lunging after a single drawn-out idea, a single unsullied character. &quot; And, to validate his trepidatious journey, the rumbling bass trill remains. Even though he has rejected all but the first wisps of the Sonata he recognizes that this doubt, the driving force, may be less his enemy than he thought.

I played the first movement the summer after leaving Bard. I think it helped me, and it means a lot to me. Although I played it with feeling and some degree of understanding, and have thought about it a quite a lot, there are stilll huge chunks of it that elude me, to the point that I have begun to feel that I &quot;failed&quot; to interpret the piece. Reading this post has reinvigorated me, and makes me really wish that I had played some Schubert at Bard.

I hope you don&#039;t mind me leaving long comments like this one. But the ensuing comments and occasional debate are half the fun of your blogs (Well, more like three eighths of the fun...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeremy. I&#8217;m going back through some of your older posts. (Hint. Just kidding.)</p>
<p>I appreciate your notes about Schubert&#8217;s &#8220;chichéd&#8221; themes. I spent about 10 minutes last summer trying to explain the last movement of D.840 to my saxophonist-friend. &#8220;Yes, it&#8217;s an overly simplistic melody, almost boring, but that&#8217;s precisely WHY it&#8217;s interesting,&#8221; I said, (but without using the word &#8220;precisely.&#8221;) &#8220;It&#8217;s almost like a commentary on absent-mindedness. Thinking about thinking. It&#8217;s cool, it&#8217;s crazy&#8230;&#8221; Needless to say, my eloquence did not convert him. Some people don&#8217;t like Schubert, either because they miss the depth of his apparently clichéd themes, or because they are irritated and unsettled by his tendency to plunge into circles of questioning, self-referential thought. But, like you, I find these wanderings intriguing, resonant with the way my mind works; they draw me into a personal, shifting and magical musical landscape that often affects me more deeply than Beethoven.</p>
<p>So I disagree with the spirit of the first comment; I am incredibly glad that Schubert was himself and not another Beethoven. But I wonder if Schubert ever tried to be &#8220;more than himself?&#8221; Probably, given his capacity to doubt. I play the second half of the first theme almost as if Schubert is lunging (albiet delicately) for, perhaps even forcing a resolution. The first half of the folksong theme is followed by a plagal cadence (E-flat &#8211; B-flat), &#8220;Amen,&#8221; thereby consecrating it. Then Schubert moves to E-flat, considering the cliché he just created, but where to go from there? The rest of the phrase does indeed seem haunted by uncertainty, as if Schubert is using rote melodic logic to try to create an appropriate counter statement to the first, sacred part of the phrase. Then, we have the half cadence, which is actually another plagal cadence, this time of the fifth (B-flat &#8211; F), Schubert asking, &#8220;And this part of the phrase is sacred too, right?&#8221; The bass answers&#8230;</p>
<p>My favorite moment in this piece is in the recapitulation, when Schubert leaves the part of the Sonata you discussed in this blog, modulating into G-flat, then, tragically, F-sharp minor. His doubts, his questioning, precipitate a storm in the development and this modulation is the scar of that experience. But then, the bass steps up to A, and suddenly we are in D major. It is a beautiful moment, holistic and healing. All the suffering in the sonata has led, unexpectedly, to a new and beautiful key. And the beauty is not shining through in spite of the pieces flaws, but it is there because of them: without F-sharp minor we would not have reached D. And at the end of the movement, he restates the first theme,  but only the first part, once as before, then pushed up a third as if admiring it from a different angle, and then back to the first position. He seems to say, &#8220;If only the first part of my phrase is sacred, than that is all I need. I won&#8217;t try to be Beethoven by lunging after a single drawn-out idea, a single unsullied character. &#8221; And, to validate his trepidatious journey, the rumbling bass trill remains. Even though he has rejected all but the first wisps of the Sonata he recognizes that this doubt, the driving force, may be less his enemy than he thought.</p>
<p>I played the first movement the summer after leaving Bard. I think it helped me, and it means a lot to me. Although I played it with feeling and some degree of understanding, and have thought about it a quite a lot, there are stilll huge chunks of it that elude me, to the point that I have begun to feel that I &#8220;failed&#8221; to interpret the piece. Reading this post has reinvigorated me, and makes me really wish that I had played some Schubert at Bard.</p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t mind me leaving long comments like this one. But the ensuing comments and occasional debate are half the fun of your blogs (Well, more like three eighths of the fun&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Amfion &#187; Chopin vai Schubert?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amfion &#187; Chopin vai Schubert?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Denkin aiemmista tuotoksista kannattaa lukea myös Schubertin suurta B-duuri- tai Charles Ivesin Concord-sonaattia koskevat [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
		<link>http://jeremydenk.net/blog/2008/07/08/schubertt-sic/comment-page-1/#comment-4209</link>
		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Denk (or may I call you Jeremy?), this is one of the most brilliant and enjoyable things I&#039;ve read in a long, long time. I&#039;m a conservatory violinist currently suffering from a combo of end-of-semester burnout and a bad case of &quot;is this all there is?&quot; This piece of writing not only made my day, but gave me a much-needed look again at what I love about classical music, the combination of intellect and emotion so perfectly balanced, the mathematical/logical theories and their sheer literary context. OK enough of my futile grasping for pretentious academia-speak, just a big thank you! I&#039;ve just discovered your blog and I&#039;m utterly delighted by everything i&#039;ve read so far here. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Denk (or may I call you Jeremy?), this is one of the most brilliant and enjoyable things I&#8217;ve read in a long, long time. I&#8217;m a conservatory violinist currently suffering from a combo of end-of-semester burnout and a bad case of &#8220;is this all there is?&#8221; This piece of writing not only made my day, but gave me a much-needed look again at what I love about classical music, the combination of intellect and emotion so perfectly balanced, the mathematical/logical theories and their sheer literary context. OK enough of my futile grasping for pretentious academia-speak, just a big thank you! I&#8217;ve just discovered your blog and I&#8217;m utterly delighted by everything i&#8217;ve read so far here. <img src='http://jeremydenk.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard your Ives/Beethoven performance in Amherst, MA, (BRAVO!!) and spoke with you after the concert.  I have been following your reviews from Boston to New York - if YOU had any doubts about the program and performance, surely they have been dispelled.  What I heard is still fresh in my ears.  Thank you, so very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard your Ives/Beethoven performance in Amherst, MA, (BRAVO!!) and spoke with you after the concert.  I have been following your reviews from Boston to New York &#8211; if YOU had any doubts about the program and performance, surely they have been dispelled.  What I heard is still fresh in my ears.  Thank you, so very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever heard of classical pianist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ronniesegev.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ronnie
Segev&lt;/a&gt;?  He&#039;s a brilliant artist. If you aren&#039;t familiar with who he is, he has this organization: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tocmusic.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ronnie Segev&#039;s TOC&lt;/a&gt; that donates music lessons and instruments to kids in need. He also plays around New York
City... I found his &lt;a href=&quot;http://ronniesegev.net/ronnie-segev-schedule.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ronnie Segev&#039;s schedule&lt;/a&gt; online. 

I was googling around and doing some research on him. I found out that he has these &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freelance.meetup.com/144&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ronnie Segev&#039;s music salons &lt;/a&gt;where you can actually go over to his place and listen to a bunch of people try out their piano music ( singing, violin, etc) on one another.  He&#039;s got an IMDB to: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3121973/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ronnie Segev&#039;s IBDB page&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;m just full of useful info ;) E-mail me if you are interested in more information. I happen to be a pretty big fan and wanted to know if you have heard of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever heard of classical pianist <a href="http://www.ronniesegev.net" rel="nofollow">Ronnie<br />
Segev</a>?  He&#8217;s a brilliant artist. If you aren&#8217;t familiar with who he is, he has this organization: <a href="http://www.tocmusic.com" rel="nofollow">Ronnie Segev&#8217;s TOC</a> that donates music lessons and instruments to kids in need. He also plays around New York<br />
City&#8230; I found his <a href="http://ronniesegev.net/ronnie-segev-schedule.html" rel="nofollow">Ronnie Segev&#8217;s schedule</a> online. </p>
<p>I was googling around and doing some research on him. I found out that he has these <a href="http://www.freelance.meetup.com/144" rel="nofollow">Ronnie Segev&#8217;s music salons </a>where you can actually go over to his place and listen to a bunch of people try out their piano music ( singing, violin, etc) on one another.  He&#8217;s got an IMDB to: <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3121973/" rel="nofollow">Ronnie Segev&#8217;s IBDB page</a> I&#8217;m just full of useful info <img src='http://jeremydenk.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  E-mail me if you are interested in more information. I happen to be a pretty big fan and wanted to know if you have heard of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Claire .... we miss you .... I know you need to practice (and so do I) ... but pleeeeease?? Just a little ditti between scales ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Claire &#8230;. we miss you &#8230;. I know you need to practice (and so do I) &#8230; but pleeeeease?? Just a little ditti between scales &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, now I know the need for the sippy but what about the puppy? Was it just dragged by a paw to follow, like an afterthought?

The trill sounds to me like a variant thought, an interference in the mind, the intrusion one needs to push aside for the time being until the current, more pleasant task is complete.  

Thanks for your very educational, pondering and always entertaining column.  I enjoy listening to you whenever I can when you play here in the City by the Bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, now I know the need for the sippy but what about the puppy? Was it just dragged by a paw to follow, like an afterthought?</p>
<p>The trill sounds to me like a variant thought, an interference in the mind, the intrusion one needs to push aside for the time being until the current, more pleasant task is complete.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your very educational, pondering and always entertaining column.  I enjoy listening to you whenever I can when you play here in the City by the Bay.</p>
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		<title>By: claire karoly</title>
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		<dc:creator>claire karoly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear jeremey,

it&#039;s been almost 2 months since your last post. not that posting to your blog is a necessity, but i do miss you so. any chance for even a one-liner to tide me over?

hugs, claire

p.s. here&#039;s your sippy. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear jeremey,</p>
<p>it&#8217;s been almost 2 months since your last post. not that posting to your blog is a necessity, but i do miss you so. any chance for even a one-liner to tide me over?</p>
<p>hugs, claire</p>
<p>p.s. here&#8217;s your sippy. <img src='http://jeremydenk.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! I love the way you write.
I am that mother (well not that one exactly) an I am glad to know that I make someone miss their mom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! I love the way you write.<br />
I am that mother (well not that one exactly) an I am glad to know that I make someone miss their mom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have to say, you played the piece tonight perhaps even as movingly as the little mice. If your performance stays with me as long as theirs did--and I have every reason to think it will--this night will still be haunting me when I&#039;m 88!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have to say, you played the piece tonight perhaps even as movingly as the little mice. If your performance stays with me as long as theirs did&#8211;and I have every reason to think it will&#8211;this night will still be haunting me when I&#8217;m 88!</p>
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