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An Interview with Sarah Palin

JD:  Governor, may I call you Sarah?

SP:  You betcha.

JD:  I just simply can’t believe in the midst of this intense campaign season, you could find the time to talk with me about the “Hammerklavier” Sonata.

SP:  Well, ya know, Beethoven was the dude who said thanks but no thanks to Napoleon.  Plus from all the mavericky songs he wrote, maybe this one could be known as the most maverickyest.

JD:  I have to confess I’m a bit surprised you are so familiar with this particular work.

SP:  Well, Mr. Snooty Juilliard Graduate, I’ll have you know I did my thesis on the Hammerklavier at Hawaiian Pacific University.  Of course I had to continue revising it at Northern Idaho Massage Institute.  And at Montana College for Bear-Loving Beauty Pageant Alumni.  But also too the Hammerklavier’s on my ‘Pod whenever I go wolf hunting … those dactyls get me SUPER pumped.

JD:  What was your thesis called?

SP:  Originally I wanted to call it “Frickin Kick-Ass Beethoven,” but my advisor was in a bad mood that day because Felicity chose Noel over Ben.  So I had to change it to “Trickle-Down Fugonomics:  A Reaganian Model of Beethoven’s Counterpoint.”   That’s how I got funding from the American Enterprise Institute.

JD:  What was the main thrust of your thesis?

SP:  Jeremy, I guess my point is, a fugue is more than one voice, just like America.  And it has certain values.

JD:  Please elaborate …

SP:  Well, you know Jeremy, we’re overtaxed.  And Beethoven says, well, goshdarnit, just try and govern that fugue subject.  Cause he knows that government is really the problem, and the scariest two words in the English language are “Schenkerian Analysis.”

JD:  So you don’t think a Schenkerian 3-line governs the unfolding of the Hammerklavier?

SP:  Let’s put it this way, Jeremy.  And I know your type has a hard time getting past the filter, so let me unfilter you right here and now.  Nobody, but no one, can do better than the free enterprise of the notes left to themselves.  And Beethoven himself, look right here, says “fugue in 3 voices, with some license.”  And also too license is just another word for maverick and and maverick is another word for freedom and freedom is just another word for America and no Austrian analyst tells America what to do.

JD:  Word!  Explain to me this trickle-down theory.

SP:  The “Hammerklavier” is the perfect instance of my example, Jeremy.  Ever notice how the piece is full of chains of thirds?

JD:  Sure, Sarah.  It is well noted in Charles Rosen’s The Classical Style, and many other sources.

SP:  Well, ask yourself another question:  do they ever go up?

JD:  Hmm.  Well, I guess not.

SP:  Booyah!   As my grandma used to say, you can’t bag a moose with a spoon.

JD:  Ok, l think I see where you’re going with that.  Tell me a bit about the harmonic language of the work.

SP:  It’s great to see Beethoven being so pro-B-flat major.

JD:  I guess I would have said it’s “in” B-flat major, not “pro-” B-flat major?  …

SP:  Oh, Jeremy, I wouldn’t expect a naive Upper West Side nacho-eating liberal like yourself to understand that every key is, in fact, a war against every other key.  And you know unless we defend B-flat major one day we’ll wake up and there won’t be a B-flat major.  Two flats come at a price, eternal vigilance, or I guess what I’m sayin’ is, these flats don’t run.

JD:  But Sarah—to play devil’s advocate here—you could make that one of the defining, most beautiful elements of the piece is the presence of sort of “radical” notes, notes that don’t really belong in B-flat major, strange other notes, neither major nor minor …

SP:  All that sounds really good on paper, Jeremy, at your Ivy League coffeeshops and so forth, but out here in the real world where I’m sitting there’s plenty of common sense telling me that wrong notes are wrong notes.  There was a great piece on Lou Dobbs the other day about this, called “Why Is G-Flat Getting My Tax Dollars?”

JD:  I didn’t know he was a Beethoven scholar.

SP:  There’s Walmarts and Walmarts of stuff out there you don’t know.  I agree with Lou, we can put up with these immigrant notes, but only if they enter the key legally, through the proper channels, and for heck’s sake let’s not get in the business of givin’ ‘em driving licenses.  They should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

JD:  I’m not sure how that applies to Beethoven … ?

SP:  Just cause Beethoven can wigglewaggle his way into all sorts of keys doesn’t mean we have to give them amnesty.  Next question.

JD:  Tell me your thoughts about the slow movement.

SP:  [pause]   In what respect, Jeremy?

JD:  The third movement:  how would you describe it?

SP:  [pause]  I gotta confess, I usually fast forward through that one … It’s kind of a bummer.  And since unlike some Americans out there I don’t hate America, I don’t want to dwell on all those negativity.

JD:  But some people might make the case that the third movement is kind of the emotional core of the work … ?

SP:  Ya know, I feel pretty strongly that a composer is a lot like a musicologist, except that he has actual notes to put down on paper.  [Applause]

JD:  Sarah, you didn’t really answer my question …

SP:  I got some questions for you.  For example, why does Beethoven decide to kick fugal butt at the end of this song?  What’s the point?  I think another interesting question is why in fact is this piece in B-flat major?  I mean didn’t he already write the “Archduke” Trio, which is ALSO in B-flat major?  Why couldn’t he just write the “Archduke” trio again?  I know a lotta folks out there, in Main Street all across this land of ours, they’ll tell you, they’re just more “Archduke” kinda folks then they are “Hammerklavier” folks.  And that’s fine.  That’s why America is so great.  I would never take away their right to bear “Archduke.”  And its true the “Archduke” is a lot more Budweiser to those folks the “Hammerklavier” seems like some sort of weird imported wheat beer or somethin’, but my point is, it’s like Beethoven sat down to write the “Archduke” but then as his pen or quill or chalk or whatever hit the paper it took a kind of wrong turn, God bless him …

JD:  A wrong turn?

SP:  Well, I don’t mean wrong in a bad way, but in a weird way.  I think the best way to explain it is it’s like that movie with the guy, you know, who turns into a fly.  It’s like there’s the “Archduke” trio and all that good noble normal Beethoven stuff, but then it gets fused with some alien DNA and so, like instead of a normal scherzo you get this little strange runt of a crazy scherzo and then in place of a really long slow movement you get an even longer slow movement and everything just spirals out of control, like some sort of crazy Bach futuristic Beethoven hybrid thingamabob.

JD:  That’s actually not totally uninsightful, Sarah.  I’m sorry I liberally condescended to you.  It’s true everything in the slow movement of the “Hammerklavier” speaks in exaggerated or caricatured ways.  When you compare it to the symmetrical arches of the “Archduke” slow movement the “Hammerklavier” has a tendency to get stuck, to wander or obsess, as if Beethoven were commenting on the very nature of musical narrative itself, as if he were questioning the foundations of phraseology …  Whereas the “Archduke” seems the very summit of phraseology, a kind of Mount Olympus.

SP:  Yeah, whatever.

JD:  Sarah, what’s your favorite part of the “Hammerklavier”?

SP:  Well that’s really hard to say, but I think I gotta go with the opening of the last movement.

JD:  The Largo introduction?  Mine too!  Maybe we have more in common than we thought!

SP:  Yah, I really love how those chords just kind of sit there waiting for something to do …  and then something will happen … and then we’ll be waiting again … lotsa suspense and mystery you know … it’s sort of a transition with no clear or obvious goal … how do I put this …

JD:  Kind of a bridge to nowhere?

SP:  Smart ass.
JD:  Sarah, the last movement is one of the most famously difficult things in all the piano repertoire.  Do you have any advice for this American pianist about this movement before he performs this work on tour?

SP:  You don’t want to hear my advice.

JD:  Oh come on let me have it.

SP:  I think it’s pretty obvious.

JD:  I’m dying to know.

SP:   You’re not gonna like it.

JD:  Please …

SP:  Trill, baby, trill!

JD:   [sinks head in hands]  The interview is over.

61 Responses to “An Interview with Sarah Palin”


  1. 1 Nicola Reilly Oct 22nd, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Jeremy, you are a genius. We miss you in Seattle.

  2. 2 christina Oct 22nd, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    this is such a timely blog post. i’m so thrilled a) to see a new post on my rss feed!; b) that it’s about the hammerklavier; and c) that you’ve managed to get inside the speech patterns of sarah palin (that, in and of itself is thrilling… and i mean that in many senses of that word)… warmest regards from london! :)

  3. 3 Janet Oct 22nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Nope, sorry. You’ve made her way too coherent; full sentences and everything. But Taxation and Fugal Procedures is a great tag.

  4. 4 Kim Oct 22nd, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Wolf Trap is so lucky you’re bringing the Hammerklavier (*and* the Concord) to The Barns on November 7! Very sadly, I will be on the road, doing opera auditions. But on that Friday night, as I’m winging from Houston to LA, I’ll be doing Fugonomics with all of you in spirit. Rock the house.

  5. 5 Robert Oct 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 am
  6. 6 Daniel Wolf Oct 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 am

    Your blog needs to come with a warning label: DO NOT EAT CRACKERS WHILE READING THINK DENK.

  7. 7 Mike Oct 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Fantastic. I hope you’re bringing the Hammerklavier to Columbus, Georgia on Election Day. I couldn’t possibly think of a better place to be than in a concert hall, hearing Denk play Beethoven, while the returns come in on TV. Shall Governor Palin join you on stage for some chamber music? Beethoven wrote some gosh darn adorable flute and piano variations.

  8. 8 Jose Oct 23rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    So, I guess you never got to ask her her thoughts on Ives’ “Concord Sonata”. I wonder if she considers Charles Ives a “Real American Composer”?

  9. 9 Mark Oct 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    As one of the few conservatives (I suspect) that regularly reads your blog, I have to admit that your Palin impression is pretty good. Not Tina Fey good, but good. I’m a bit disappointed, however, that you didn’t work in the whole “pitbull with lipstick” thing.

  10. 10 Graham Oct 23rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Brilliant stuff…looking forward to the Hammerklavier at Wolf Trap.

  11. 11 SeaPea Oct 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    goshdarnit, it was so see-flat-y it!

  12. 12 Anni Oct 24th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Scored another good one. Now that you bagged the interview, shall we to look forward to a Palin/Denk concert soon? Gosh darn it would be fun!

  13. 13 Steven Oct 24th, 2008 at 3:15 am

    This post is simply a masterpiece. I’ve never had the pleasure of hearing you play, Jeremy, but if you play half as perceptively and insightfully as you write (and characterise) you are no doubt a composer’s best friend. Excellent post. Thank you.

  14. 14 yves Oct 24th, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Since S P can see Russia from her window, presumably using her $700 Japanese eyeglasses, shouldn’t she be learning some Medtner and Moussorgsky?

  15. 15 lori Oct 24th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    This one needs audio! If only there was time in your busy schedule of practicing and performing and writing this phenomenal blog to get you into a recording studio with an SP sound-alike and put her sandpaper “R’s” and your glorious keyboard right in our ears!!!!

  16. 16 Gina G Oct 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Doing some research for Ojai Music Fest on you…didn’t realize that you are a great political satirist, too. Very funny.

  17. 17 Susan Oct 24th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    This is hilarious!
    I’m so sorry to have missed you in Denver last weekend. I definitely would have gone, had I not been out of town. I’ll catch you next time!
    …please keep these coming!

  18. 18 dpl Oct 25th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    cute…

  19. 19 Karla Oct 25th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Sort of like Daniel Wolf, I say it’s a damn good thing I wasn’t drinking my coffee while reading this. I will now try to stop associating Palin with Schenkerian analysis.

  20. 20 Claire Oct 26th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Hahahaha I was reading this to my boyfriend over the phone (who has no background in classical music) and he was just dying of laugher!

  21. 21 Emily Oct 27th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Wow. I didn’t realize the GOP had let the Governor off her short leash to give an unscripted interview. Clearly you have some great connections, Jeremy. Maybe you and SP could hit Saks later for a little pantsuit shopping spree.

  22. 22 bananas-foster girl Oct 27th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    thanks for the laugh. sorry i missed you in denver last weekend.

  23. 23 saskia Oct 28th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Well, I laughed so hard I had tears rolling down. Palin’s speech was well mimicked though a bit too smart for her real self! She would never get all of this! Perhaps it is time to rename the piece “HaMavericklavier”! Ha! I did love the part about her revisitng the piece through her many colleges! Very Clever work here. My hat to you…

  24. 24 James Oct 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Terrific! Will add a link to this clever bit (that Palin wouldn’t get) on my Palin spoofing website www.palinomaly.com.

    And assuming you aren’t voting Palin/McCain, be sure to vote early if you are able to - and then join my Facebook group “I Voted Early for Barack Obama”. Here’s the link for that:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28668409566

    Only a few more days to a new day!

  25. 25 Jackie Oct 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    LOL. In fact, LOFL. Bravo on a satirical masterwork.

  26. 26 James Boyk Oct 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Witty & funny; thanks!

  27. 27 George Calder Oct 30th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Enjoyed the interview very much! Didn’t realize you had literary talent. Wonderful! From Bloomington

  28. 28 Julia Pilant Oct 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Hey Jeremy!! Saw your interview on Facebook, courtesy Vivian Chang…Brilliant!! Hope all is well!!

  29. 29 Lina Bahn Oct 31st, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Jeremy, found this on my facebook. holy cow- you are brilliant!

  30. 30 Jane Rubinsky Oct 31st, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Brilliant, Jeremy! Another Juilliard piano alum spotted this and sent it to me … now I will have to bookmark your site (but make sure I don’t have a mouthful of coffee when I take a peek)!

  31. 31 Jane Rubinsky Oct 31st, 2008 at 10:42 am

    P.S. I’ve just sent this to Molly and she’s posted it on the bulletin board in the faculty lounge!

  32. 32 Jane Rubinsky Oct 31st, 2008 at 10:43 am

    P.S. I’ve just sent this to Molly and she’s posted it on the bulletin board in the faculty lounge!

  33. 33 Pavel Hammer Nov 1st, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Offering a bit of history, merely to round out the record: my ancestor Rudolf Hammerklavier commissioned LvB to write Piano Sonata No. 29, hence the name. The family has since fallen on hard times and in 1856 shortened the name to Hammer so as not to to embarrass the ancestor, but it seems an empty gesture now. We are now just an ordinary family of impecunious intelletualoids, as I once explained during my stint as a classical music DJ on Radio KBBI, Homer, in 1993-1995 (two hours every Sunday).

    I never did meet Sarah, but one of my progeny has, many years since, living as he was at the time in Palmer, near Wasilla. Nothing magical happened, however.

    Interesting article; I will re-listen to the ancestral epic to discern the elements you have presented here.

    Wishing you and yours close harmony … and stay in tune!

  34. 34 Marina Horak Nov 1st, 2008 at 4:17 am

    Dear colleague Denk!

    Via one of summer course students your Blog site - and particularly the insightful Palin analysis of op. 106 - reached me on my very birthday today! And made my day!
    I will with great glee distribute it to all piano students (15 of them are in my chamber music class) at the University Academy of Ljubljana, Slovenia - one actually played Hammerklavier very well last spring as part of his degree recital - as they are in dire need of intelligent sharp humor with underlying deep understanding of music. Thank you!
    Best wishes, Marina

  35. 35 Leslie Howard Nov 3rd, 2008 at 3:22 am

    Greetings from London! Congratulations on a brilliant piece that nails a frightening character and actually says impressive things about Ludwig v B at the same time. I’m curious to see a similar piece on the Liszt Sonata…

  36. 36 Me Nov 3rd, 2008 at 6:55 am

    I made the mistake of reading this entry at work. Eight lines into it, I guffawed rather unprofessionally and had to excuse myself to use the restroom. I especially like how you’ve tagged “Raeganian Counterpoint.” That is certainly a frequently searched term.

  37. 37 N8Ma Nov 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    This is going to headline the next issue of JAMS, right?

  38. 38 Julian Nov 3rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    This is something that the late Glenn Gould not only would really have enjoyed, but might even have written, had he been around. You share his considerable sense of humour. Nice work.

  39. 39 Sydney Nov 3rd, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Very, VERY nice, Jeremy! I could hear Palin saying her parts.

  40. 40 Christopher Campbell-Howes Nov 4th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    But this is only the start! Please can we have
    Mugabe on Missa Papae Marcelli, Sarkozy on Peter and the Wolf, Ghadafi on Dido and Aeneas, Chavez on Chavez?

  41. 41 TheOldMole Nov 6th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    You’ve made a fan for life.

  42. 42 Josh Rzepka Nov 8th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Brilliant. Very funny. Thanks for the laugh.

  43. 43 Bob Mensel Nov 8th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Very funny, but I’m afraid you’ve made SP sound WAY more intelligent than she did in the campaign. But then again, if she could learn to say “Ahmadinejad,” I suppose she could just as well have learned to say “Schenkerian”!

  44. 44 David Irwin Nov 9th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Oh, Man, this was just the best. Thanks so much. My friends all love it too.

  45. 45 Melissa M Nov 11th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Kickass! It reminds me of Leonard Bernstein’s conversation with George Washington about new music. But yours is WAY funnier. I may have to go hear you play now.

  46. 46 Harry Rolnick Nov 11th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Brilliant story, and your playing tonight in Carnegie Hall wwas even better. (I could actually see rushin’ from your fingertips.)

    You didn’t mention, though, how in the last movement, Beethoven manages to energize the bass.

    Otherwise faultless and technical and insightful!!

  47. 47 John Langfeld Nov 12th, 2008 at 5:35 am

    Pithy. Wise. Hysterical in a Douglas Hofstadter sort of way. Loved it!

  48. 48 "m" Nov 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    CONGRATS on the Carnegie debut last night - terrific performances of both the “Concord” and “Hammerklavier”! Please record soonest.

  49. 49 John Nov 13th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    I just discovered your site through a link in the New York Times review of your recent Ives-Beethoven recital. The review was captivating — and, apparently, so was your playing. Sorry I missed it. But I’m delighted with your site and plan to be a regular visitor. Your “interview” with Sarah Palin is a hoot, and there are lots of other hoots scattered through your blogs. I would add just one small (Schuberttian?) cavil: Playing the Hamnmerklavier fugue at the tempo you reportedly took is really gaudy. Anyone with the chops to do it should be ashamed of himself.

  50. 50 nbm Nov 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Jeremy, beautiful, beautiful concert on Tuesday, and great review from Anthony Tommasini in the Times. (Frequent Commenter Janet, with great regret, gave me her ticket.) I am so happy and relieved to know that you, with your intense involvement in his work, find Beethoven funny, as I do. (And I thought about this post as I listened.)

  51. 51 Jenna R Nov 16th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Oh, thank you so much for that, it absolutely captures Sarah(although I’m sure she’d have some trouble even reading the name of our favorite Austrian analyst)… The whole premise of this interview is hilarious; I nearly fell off my chair while reading. Fantastic job last night with RI Philharmonic as well, and I hope to see another performance of yours in the future!

  52. 52 Karen Nov 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    I heard this NPR story about the “Church of Beethoven” in Albuquerque. Perhaps Governor Palin could become a convert.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97010881

  53. 53 Janet Nov 22nd, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Perhaps you’ve already seen this, but just in case: Someone at your concert had what I would imagine, judging from some of your previous writings on Ives, is exactly the reaction you would have hoped for. (Unfortunately she doesn’t remark on the influence of Palin on the Hammerklavier.)
    http://blog.paloaltoonline.com/adlibs/2008/11/wild-drive-with-charles-ives.html

  54. 54 Emil Chudnovsky Nov 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    In the immortal style of Sam Goldwyn - “I have only two words for you: Bra-vo.”

  55. 55 Diggity D Dec 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    this is dumb.

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