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		<title>By: Elizabeth Davidson</title>
		<link>http://jeremydenk.net/blog/2009/11/30/chopins-for-dummies/comment-page-1/#comment-4953</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your wonderful thoughts through this blog.  And thank you for the incredible playing of Bach, Ives, Chopin and Schumann last night, in Seattle. I&#039;ve never cared for Schumann very much before, but while you were knocking my socks off with the Ives I smiled to myself and figured you&#039;d probably make me like the Schumann waltzes.  Your playing woke me up to them.  I&#039;ve never been ashamed that I liked Chopin.  Since my teens I&#039;ve listened to him and just assumed that someone else was unlucky if they didn&#039;t hear what I heard.  Glad you agree.  And I cut my teeth on Bach and Stravinsky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your wonderful thoughts through this blog.  And thank you for the incredible playing of Bach, Ives, Chopin and Schumann last night, in Seattle. I&#8217;ve never cared for Schumann very much before, but while you were knocking my socks off with the Ives I smiled to myself and figured you&#8217;d probably make me like the Schumann waltzes.  Your playing woke me up to them.  I&#8217;ve never been ashamed that I liked Chopin.  Since my teens I&#8217;ve listened to him and just assumed that someone else was unlucky if they didn&#8217;t hear what I heard.  Glad you agree.  And I cut my teeth on Bach and Stravinsky.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Choban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Choban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOVE the way you write.  I&#039;ve missed reading you.  Classical Music blogs have so depressed me I quit reading for awhile.  

Thanks for brightening my day.

(I think Chopin is Blake smart and Turkish Diplomat savvy.....and passive aggressive as hell)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOVE the way you write.  I&#8217;ve missed reading you.  Classical Music blogs have so depressed me I quit reading for awhile.  </p>
<p>Thanks for brightening my day.</p>
<p>(I think Chopin is Blake smart and Turkish Diplomat savvy&#8230;..and passive aggressive as hell)</p>
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		<title>By: Teach yourself piano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teach yourself piano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chopin&#039;s music was certainly not dumb or boring.  His music might be boring to those that desire a showy and bold exposition of thought or feeling.  But (to use your very accurate description of the man&#039;s character) &quot;Chopin’s vast refinement of thought and elegance and culture&quot; requires a similar personality in the listener for his music to be appreciated and understood.  Or, at least a listener with great powers of empathy and understanding.  Those who label his music as boring haven&#039;t the &quot;refined and elegant&quot; brand of thought required to understand him, IMHO.  

You&#039;ve done a great job of displaying the intimate message and even the pathos inherent in his Polonaise-Fantasie.  I have always liked what the biographer Huneker said of Chopin&#039;s music - &quot;Chopin&#039;s arrows are tipped in fire, but they do not travel very far.&quot;

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chopin&#8217;s music was certainly not dumb or boring.  His music might be boring to those that desire a showy and bold exposition of thought or feeling.  But (to use your very accurate description of the man&#8217;s character) &#8220;Chopin’s vast refinement of thought and elegance and culture&#8221; requires a similar personality in the listener for his music to be appreciated and understood.  Or, at least a listener with great powers of empathy and understanding.  Those who label his music as boring haven&#8217;t the &#8220;refined and elegant&#8221; brand of thought required to understand him, IMHO.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve done a great job of displaying the intimate message and even the pathos inherent in his Polonaise-Fantasie.  I have always liked what the biographer Huneker said of Chopin&#8217;s music &#8211; &#8220;Chopin&#8217;s arrows are tipped in fire, but they do not travel very far.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Takács</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Takács</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jeremy:

I look forward to your concert tonight in Finney Chapel with Joshua Bell.

I love reading your musings that combine a reverence for our beloved music with hilarious jabs at the comparative paltriness of modern pop culture.  I also relish your use of audio and video examples to bring your points home.

I have always loved the Polonaise-fantaisie, its ambiguity and anguished search for identity--I feel this is a paean to the fate of the expatriate who is forever pining for the homeland, while knowing that there can be no return.  At the risk of ruining the piece forever, I imagine the words &quot;ma patrie!&quot; (and, later, &quot;oh, ma patrie!&quot;) set to the heart-wrenching F#-G# melody in the B major section.

One small correction: in the passage introducing the solemn B major chorale, surely you mean E# and not F# as the salient pitch in the suspenseful chord awaiting resolution.

Thanks again for the stimulating essays.

Warmly,

Peter Takács (Bibbins 331)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jeremy:</p>
<p>I look forward to your concert tonight in Finney Chapel with Joshua Bell.</p>
<p>I love reading your musings that combine a reverence for our beloved music with hilarious jabs at the comparative paltriness of modern pop culture.  I also relish your use of audio and video examples to bring your points home.</p>
<p>I have always loved the Polonaise-fantaisie, its ambiguity and anguished search for identity&#8211;I feel this is a paean to the fate of the expatriate who is forever pining for the homeland, while knowing that there can be no return.  At the risk of ruining the piece forever, I imagine the words &#8220;ma patrie!&#8221; (and, later, &#8220;oh, ma patrie!&#8221;) set to the heart-wrenching F#-G# melody in the B major section.</p>
<p>One small correction: in the passage introducing the solemn B major chorale, surely you mean E# and not F# as the salient pitch in the suspenseful chord awaiting resolution.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the stimulating essays.</p>
<p>Warmly,</p>
<p>Peter Takács (Bibbins 331)</p>
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		<title>By: contrapuntal</title>
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		<dc:creator>contrapuntal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education does wonders for such people.

Ballade No. 4 in F minor, Op. 52.  Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education does wonders for such people.</p>
<p>Ballade No. 4 in F minor, Op. 52.  Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: jupiterjenkins.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; wreath of gab and links</title>
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		<dc:creator>jupiterjenkins.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; wreath of gab and links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] he had an entry on Chopin:[link to blog].  It was his musings that got me thinking about why I like Chopin again and playing and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: milka</title>
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		<dc:creator>milka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we only had  all that or even a little in 
the
world of violin music .!!!!!</description>
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world of violin music .!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The richness of expression, &#039;classical&#039; in the sense that it is so rich that one never tires of repeated hearings over many years.  As a player, I notice the supreme &#039;craft&#039;, the voicings that are exactly suited to their moments, that amplify the meaning of the moment and the context.  Craft in the avoidance of literal repetition.  My visual equivalent is a perfectly tailored suit of clothes.
Since my passion for Classical (of all centuries) is a fairly solitary pursuit, I would tend to not be terribly swayed by dismissals of music I find compelling.
Thanks for your insights, Jeremy, some day I&#039;ll hear you live, I look forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The richness of expression, &#8216;classical&#8217; in the sense that it is so rich that one never tires of repeated hearings over many years.  As a player, I notice the supreme &#8216;craft&#8217;, the voicings that are exactly suited to their moments, that amplify the meaning of the moment and the context.  Craft in the avoidance of literal repetition.  My visual equivalent is a perfectly tailored suit of clothes.<br />
Since my passion for Classical (of all centuries) is a fairly solitary pursuit, I would tend to not be terribly swayed by dismissals of music I find compelling.<br />
Thanks for your insights, Jeremy, some day I&#8217;ll hear you live, I look forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put. I have friends with the same attitude (they can&#039;t help it, having studied music at universities in the 80s), but haven&#039;t been able to find the words to to properly stand up for Chopin and how his music moves me. 

. . . except that my brain, etched with 3rd Ballade practice from college days, starts playing lilting Ab octaves to my mind&#039;s ear after that last chord&#039;s been held a while. Oliver Sacks, make it stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put. I have friends with the same attitude (they can&#8217;t help it, having studied music at universities in the 80s), but haven&#8217;t been able to find the words to to properly stand up for Chopin and how his music moves me. </p>
<p>. . . except that my brain, etched with 3rd Ballade practice from college days, starts playing lilting Ab octaves to my mind&#8217;s ear after that last chord&#8217;s been held a while. Oliver Sacks, make it stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate BH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate BH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, you&#039;re a smart guy and Chopin was a smart guy. His music is very sensual, and it&#039;s possible that that sensuality represents quite an essential, paradoxically smart value on Chopin&#039;s part. It&#039;s important for smart people to have non-intellectual experiences, because too much thinking can be seriously maladaptive, (Imagine the stereotypical high school &quot;nerd&quot; character who can answer any math question but can barely function in social situations). For me, that&#039;s why I like being a musician as opposed to, say, a writer. Classical music is ridiculously thoughtful, but there&#039;s an athletic aspect to it, and sometimes the senses are allowed to usurp the thinking mind, as in the &quot;effervescent waltz&quot; part of the Brahms sonata you wrote about some posts back. From his extreme sensuality to his avoidance of extra-pianistic composition, I&#039;ve come to think of Chopin as maybe political, or at least passive-aggressive, but certainly opposed to the forces of  domineering intellectualism. 

The polonaise-fantasie is a really good example of (bringin&#039; in Susan McClary) a slightly more feminist-y approach. To me, it is largely about overcoming perfectionism, what with the slightly-dissatisfied-but-stoic ending, and the monumental final restatement of the b-major theme in a-flat, which I think of (why do I have a feeling you will resent this characterization?) as skipping... with abandon. But no, I don&#039;t think that Chopin&#039;s sensuality makes him any less of a guiding light than Schubert in all his structure. 

Thanks for giving me a space to vent my nerdy music thoughts. I am glad that you sound well, and are playing this piece.

Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, you&#8217;re a smart guy and Chopin was a smart guy. His music is very sensual, and it&#8217;s possible that that sensuality represents quite an essential, paradoxically smart value on Chopin&#8217;s part. It&#8217;s important for smart people to have non-intellectual experiences, because too much thinking can be seriously maladaptive, (Imagine the stereotypical high school &#8220;nerd&#8221; character who can answer any math question but can barely function in social situations). For me, that&#8217;s why I like being a musician as opposed to, say, a writer. Classical music is ridiculously thoughtful, but there&#8217;s an athletic aspect to it, and sometimes the senses are allowed to usurp the thinking mind, as in the &#8220;effervescent waltz&#8221; part of the Brahms sonata you wrote about some posts back. From his extreme sensuality to his avoidance of extra-pianistic composition, I&#8217;ve come to think of Chopin as maybe political, or at least passive-aggressive, but certainly opposed to the forces of  domineering intellectualism. </p>
<p>The polonaise-fantasie is a really good example of (bringin&#8217; in Susan McClary) a slightly more feminist-y approach. To me, it is largely about overcoming perfectionism, what with the slightly-dissatisfied-but-stoic ending, and the monumental final restatement of the b-major theme in a-flat, which I think of (why do I have a feeling you will resent this characterization?) as skipping&#8230; with abandon. But no, I don&#8217;t think that Chopin&#8217;s sensuality makes him any less of a guiding light than Schubert in all his structure. </p>
<p>Thanks for giving me a space to vent my nerdy music thoughts. I am glad that you sound well, and are playing this piece.</p>
<p>Nate</p>
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